Friday, August 5, 2016

Discussion of It Ends With Us, by Colleen Hoover

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it ends with us[dropcap]Welcome[/dropcap] to our discussion feature!  Lately, we've been realizing that sometimes a review just isn’t enough… We want to share our thoughts with people using actual textual examples… AKA ‘SPOILERS.’ It is, of course, rude to give away too much in book reviews, although it is a delicate line to walk. You don’t want your review to be bereft of examples, but you can’t push it too far.  There are always spoiler tags of course… but we've been wanting to write full-on essays about certain books, and tags just aren’t good enough for us anymore. We need to write more down!


This time around, I (Ellen) want to discuss a very popular book of the moment. Yes, this post is a discussion of It Ends With Us by Colleen Hoover.

A Summary of It Ends With Us


[dropcap]The[/dropcap] book opens with our main character, Lily Bloom, sitting on a ledge of a very high building in Boston. She's contemplating the vicious eulogy she gave for her father earlier in the day. As she enjoys the night sky, a very handsome man joins her on the roof. His name is Ryle Kincaid and he's a neurosurgery resident. The two quickly develop a rapport, but Lily turns down Ryle's offer of a one-night stand.

Months later, Lily decides to open a flower business and immediately hires a perky woman, Allysa, who she met on the street. But Lily is soon surprised to find out that Allysa's brother is none other than Ryle Kincaid! The doctor and the florist are thrust together once again, and despite Ryle's reservations about dating, the two start to see each other after beginning a sexual relationship. But Lily is rocked when she runs into her old friend and lover from her teenage years, Atlas Corrigan.

When Lily was a teenager, her world was very tragic, because her father routinely lay violent hands on her mother. To comfort herself, Lily wrote diaries to her hero, Ellen Degeneres. In present day Boston, Lily reads her old letters to Ellen, and thinks back to how she met Atlas. A homeless teen, Atlas was squatting in an abandoned house behind Lily's own home. Atlas and Lily became close friends and allies, gradually falling in love. When Atlas turned eighteen he enlisted, but he and Lily consummated their relationship before he left for overseas. They vow to meet again one day in Boston.

In the present day, Lily decides to stay with Ryle, despite having rediscovered Atlas. She is soon madly in love with Ryle. But her beau has issues with anger, and is soon repeatedly* pushing and shoving Lily in moments of rage, even sending her to the hospital for stitches. Despite the abuse, Lily marries Ryle. (*Note: A commenter has kindly pointed out that there was only one instance of violence prior to the marriage.)

Lily's breaking point eventually comes when Ryle discovers Lily's old diaries and reads them. Enraged that Lily had not been more forthcoming about her connection with Atlas, Ryle harms his wife and then attempts to rape her, before changing his mind. Lily calls Atlas, who picks her up and takes her to the hospital. They discover that Lily is pregnant with Ryle's baby.

During her pregnancy, Lily debates whether or not she should return to Ryle. Ryle has confessed that he accidentally shot his brother as a child with his parent's gun, which left him emotionally damaged, experiencing violent blackouts. Lily is moved by the admission, but when her daughter is born, she decides to divorce Ryle.

The story ends with Lily taking the baby to Ryle for his appointed day with her. She bumps into Atlas on the street. They greet each other warmly, then part ways. But then, at the last moment, Lily decides to run down the street to Atlas and confess her desire to be with him.

The Author's Note


[dropcap]The[/dropcap] most important part of It Ends With Us is the Author's Note, I think. In it, Colleen Hoover shares the deeply personal story of how her father seriously abused her mother up to the point of their divorce. In one instance, Hoover recalls getting out of bed as a child, hearing a commotion, and seeing her father throw a television at her mother and hit her. She also confesses that some of the situations of abuse related in the novel, It Ends With Us, are things that actually happened to her mother.

However, Hoover says that her father only engaged in abuse towards his spouse. To his kids, he was non-violent. She writes:

She divorced him before I turned three. Every memory beyond that of my father was a good one. He never once lost his temper with me or my sisters, despite having done so on numerous occasions with my mother.


I knew their marriage was an abusive one, but my mother never talked about it. To discuss it would have meant she was talking ill of my father and that’s something she never once did. She wanted the relationship I had with him to be free of any strain that stood between the two of them. Because of this, I have the utmost respect for parents who don’t involve their children in the dissolution of their relationships.



That, I think, is an incredibly controversial sentiment and Hoover seems to take a hard line on it. She even promotes her stance in It Ends With Us, having Lily decide to share custody of her baby with her abuser. Here's a quote that I thought sounded particularly like Hoover talking through Lily:




“I know, Ryle. You would never intentionally hurt your own child. I don’t even believe it was intentional when you hurt me, but you did. And trust me, I want to believe that you would never do something like that. My father was only abusive toward my mother. There are many men—women even—who abuse their significant others without ever losing their temper with anyone else. I want to believe your words with all my heart, but you have to understand where my hesitation comes in. I’ll never deny you a relationship with your child. But I’m going to need you to be really patient with me while you rebuild all the trust you’ve broken.”



For one thing, in It Ends With Us, Lily's father actually does hurt his daughter, sending her to the hospital.




I had to get nine stitches in my forehead. I’m still not sure what I hit my head on, but it doesn’t really matter. The fact is, my father was the reason I was hurt and he didn’t even stay and check on me. He just left us both there on the floor of the garage and left.



So, in the book, Lily apparently enters into denial that her father ever hurt her, and uses the reasoning, "there are many men—women even—who abuse their significant others without ever losing their temper with anyone else," to justify giving her abusive ex unsupervised access to their daughter.


What the fuck?! I cannot agree with Hoover's stance here. I'm not a parent, but the idea of risking the safety of a child on the optimistic assumption that a known abuser wouldn't hurt his/her own child seems crazy to me.


Oh yeah, and in the book, Ryle's abuse goes unreported. Lily gives her abuser access to their child with his history of violence unreported!



Does Hoover Romanticize An Abuser?


[dropcap]After [/dropcap] reading It Ends With Us, I went to Goodreads to see what other readers were saying. What I saw, shocked me. Here's a quote from a comment on a Ryle-positive review:


"Ikr, I loved Ryle! And I hoped until the end that [Lily] would change her mind! I know, I know, he abused her, but still... I don't know, he was really a good person who did bad things, and I forgive him for what he did..."


Apparently, there are readers who are taking away a very troubling message from It Ends With Us.  And while it's a personal choice how readers react to a story, I can't help but think that Hoover portrayed Ryle, the abuser, in a very sympathetic light. Take a look at the scene where we learn the tragic reason behind Ryle's explosive rage...




I can’t hold in the tears. I just start crying and he wraps his arms tightly around my waist and lays his head on my lap. “I shot him, Lily. My best friend. My big brother. I was only six years old. I didn’t even know I was holding a real gun.”


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Ryle walks over to me, taking my hands and pulling me to him. We hug each other for a solid minute when he says, “I would never tell you this because I want it to excuse my behavior.” He pulls back and looks me firmly in the eyes. “You have to believe that. Allysa wanted me to tell you all of this because since that happened, there are things I can’t control. I get angry. I black out. I’ve been in therapy since I was six years old. But it is not my excuse. It is my reality.”



There have been many cases where children accidentally hurt or kill people because they have access to guns. So this tragic scenario isn't fantasy. However, it is not a common backstory for abusers, to say the least. I really worry that Hoover built an unrealistically appealing representation of an abuser here.


Moreover, a lot of younger girls read Colleen Hoover books. I hope that they'd be able to read It Ends With Us and come away with a strong stance against domestic violence.



The Bottom Line


[dropcap]I[/dropcap] can't get behind this book. Even though Colleen Hoover has witnessed domestic violence within her own family and I have not, I find myself unable to agree with some of her opinions that she relates through her story and in her author's note. I find my difference of opinion uncomfortable, because wouldn't Hoover know better than me? 

But I can't accept Hoover's stance based off of her personal expertise alone. I have to trust my own gut and my own brain. And they're telling me that It Ends With Us doesn't end on an inspiring note.

Update: Some of the feedback I've been getting for this post expresses disappointment that I could be drawing readers away from a potentially inspirational read. I totally understand the point, but I stand by my opinion that It Ends With Us has definite and concerning issues. I think that people should read It Ends With Us if they want to... and then make up their own mind. However, I will also recommend Dreamland, by Sarah Dessen, as a fantastic, alternative book to read on the subject of domestic violence.

39 comments:

  1. Eww. What? Nope. Can't deal with this ssh. She can make a case for the abuser and never would I change my mind. Ugh. And I just ordered this book. :(

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  2. It's definitely worth reading, though, because so many great reviewers are loving the book. I'm in a minority opinion!

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  3. When you only take these quotes from the book of course it looks like "romanticism of abuse." Collee. Said this is her personal experience, since I finished the book she has done nothing to say this is how all abusers behave toward their children. My mom was abused in all 3 marriages and my father never laid a hand on me. My stepfather did though but never did he lay a hand on his daughter. My moms 3rd husband didn't abuse any of her kids just her. I didn't read her book and feel like she romanticized abuse, I feel like she wrote a story from the person who was abused POV and often times this is how it turns out, she empowered me and countless others.

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  4. While I see your point and understand your perspective, the unfortunate thing about reviews like this are that it prevents people from giving the book a chance. Is the subject matter heavy? Yes. However, this book is resonating deeply with so many woman who have experienced domestic violence. I would hate a review like this to stop them from reading a book that might be healing for them in the end. Having said that, your honesty and insight are respected.

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  5. Note that I didn't write, "romanticism of abuse." I wrote, "romanticism of an abuser." I don't think Hoover made getting beat up by one's significant other romantic. However, I do think she made Ryle's character unreasonably sympathetic and appealing... enough so that I've seen many reviewers bemoaning the fact that Lily leaves Ryle in the end. To me, that is so wrong.

    I'm so sorry that your mother went through abusive relationships and that you had to witness her being hurt. I've never experienced physical abuse in my own family, but my mother was emotionally abused by her father up until the day he died. I've seen how that behavior trickles down and affects other people in the family. I think that some people, read assholes, have no right to be a part of a family just because they have a biological connection to people. So when Hoover wrote that she has the deepest respect for people who don't involve their children in the dissolution of their relationships, I disagreed virulently.

    But in the end, if you were empowered by It Ends With Us, I think that's a really good thing. It just so happens that I wasn't.

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  6. "In the present day, Lily decides to stay with Ryle, despite having rediscovered Atlas. She is soon madly in love with Ryle. But her beau has issues with anger, and is soon repeatedly pushing and shoving Lily in moments of rage, even sending her to the hospital for stitches. Despite the abuse, Lily marries Ryle."

    This is completely inaccurate and misleading.

    I feel if you're going to post spoilers that you should report then accurately.

    Ryle pushed Lily prior to their marriage and once after. She told him if it happened again she would leave. She did. She stood her ground and ended the cycle. That was the whole point. It was a wonderful message to victims.

    I work with domestic abuse victims. This was not romaticizing to me. It was realistic. There is always a high in relationships. Women hold on to that part.

    You're certainly entitled to your opinion, but I feel this blog is misleading to those who haven't read it yet.

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  7. I will put a note in the recap that you pointed out an error in my summary of events. Thank you for the correction!

    I definitely see your point and respect it, especially because you work with abuse victims. However, I still hold on to my stance that some readers are taking away a troubling message from It Ends With Us. I think Ryle is absolutely romanticized. Moreover, I absolutely do not agree on Hoover's message about the role abusers should play in their children's lives.

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  8. I definitely don't want my discussion post to keep people from reading this book. People should read whatever they want, in my opinion, even if they disagree with it. I definitely think that people should forge their own opinions.

    Thanks so much for reading and leaving me your thoughts!

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  9. Hi Ellen,

    Thanks for the review.
    I just finished reading the book myself.
    We see Ryle through Lily's mind, and therefore, we learn to like him, to pity him, and to hate him.

    Unfortunately, I believe, the reason why abusive relationships are so hard to leave is because we (women) sometimes want to believe that the person we felt in love with isn't bad.

    We might make excuses for them (like Lily did). We might even romanticize them in our minds (for example: this person has a dark past and that's why he's bad). Bottom line, we don't want to believe we were wrong or that the person we loved is not longer the same.

    I believe the reason why it was so important for us receive the story through Lily's point of view is because we needed to see how difficult it is for women going through domestic abuse. We take risks when we go into relationships.

    Did it romanticize the abuser? I don't think so, but I'm sure there might be people out there who sided with him and ever let go. I found myself pitying him many times, though I had already lost all my respect for him. But that's the point.

    Lily still loved him when she broke things up with him. Does that make her a bad person? I'm a social worker, and I see many women go back to their abusive relationships claiming that they loved the person who abuses them. They believe, in their hearts, that things could change.

    The challenge is to show these women that even though they might love the person abusing them, that does not mean that person is good for them.

    I think, that perhaps, Mrs. Hoover's point was to show people going through these situation that she understood by they stayed, and showing them how to leave.

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  10. Hi, Steph! Thank you so much for your thoughtful words. I really respect your thoughts and points and you communicated them so gracefully. I definitely see, through your eyes, how Hoover's message could be interpreted very positively.

    Again, thank you so much for reading my post and leaving your thoughts. I hope the people who are reading my thoughts also scroll down to the comments so that they can experience yours.

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  11. I honestly believe the author was trying to make us love Ryle so we would feel more like Lily when the time came. If we didn't love him a little the story would have held no clout. You have to write characters that people like/love so that the story makes sense. I believe we get so much from everyone else's point of view and not so much the actual abused.

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  12. I lost half my comment when it posted...
    I don't condone violence of any kind but abuse is so often swept under the rug and we see Liky do that. We also see her become empowered and leave that relationship. It has to end somewhere and she chose to end that cycle...

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  13. I for sure see where you're coming from here, and it's a really fitting counterpoint to my idea that Ryle is romanticized. And I think you're spot on: Hoover portrayed Ryle in that fashion because she wanted the readers to see why Lily hung on to her toxic relationship.

    I do think, though, that in the end, Ryle remained too appealing. Just my personal opinion. I can't help but contrast Ryle to Rogerson from Sarah Dessen's Dreamland.

    Like Hoover, Dessen created a sexy, romantic love interest who winds up shocking the MC and readers when he turns violent. By the end of the book, Rogerson is still a complex and alluring figure, but also terrifying and repulsive. Compared to Dessen's skill, I thought Hoover didn't pull off her angle as well.

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  14. First let's start off with that I respect your opinion and I'm sorry your mom was emotionally abused by her dad. By reading your comment though, that abuse stopped with her. I posted a similar question in a group I'm in about how ppl feel for Ryle. How they pity him. I was Lily. My dad mentally and physically abuses my mom. He never not once laid hands on my sister and I. He became a Christian when I was 9 and never abused my mom again. I was Lily when I was 20. I went through 6 yrs of physical, mental and sexual abuse. He was the devil. He had a son and not once did he abuse his son. I know Lily's dad hurt her when she tried to get him off her mom. There are no excuses for that. Every person that reads this book goes away with something different. You either love it or hate it. No in between. Ryle is a character to some, that they want to fix. If you were ever in an abusive relationship you would understand the fixer part side. When the abuse first starts we feel bad and think we can fix them. The second the same. Also with the third. With Lily, she left before he chipped away her limits before it was too late and she felt like she couldn't leave. I've seen comments from from ppl who have been abused and not been abused that says they feel bad for him for what he could've been. Also Colleen noticed a trend on the ones who love Ryle and they are in their 20's and internationally. Could it be because we each have been raised differently about how to handle abuse? If you want to bring up about young woman romanticism about Ryle then think about this. Not every CR blatantly talks about abuse like Colleen does but what about Alpha males that are controlling, claim their females, mark them, and gets insanely jealous of when they talk to other men? Is that not abuse in your eyes? To me that is. I was in that relationship. That's part of an abusive relationships so you should really be writing a negative opinion for every other book out there. One last thing before I go. PTSD is a tricky SOB. It brings on blackouts, anger you e never even seen before. You can be normal one moment then be blinded by rage then next that you don't have the slightest idea what you done. Do I use this as an excuse for what Ryle did? No. He needs a lot more than therapy. He needs to be put on the proper medication to help him. Unless you suffer from PTSD I wouldn't assume things. I have watched several of my family members come home from serving our country with it. I suffer from it still to this day from what my ex did to me over 10 yrs ago. I respect your opinion but maybe research a little more before you speak on behalf of the us. #WeareLily

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  15. Thank you for sharing your thoughts and also your incredibly heart-wrenching experiences. There's no doubt that because of what you've gone through that you have serious insight in regards to this subject.

    As for your words regarding my own experience or lack thereof in the realm of violence and mental illness, please don't be hasty in thinking that I've shared everything about myself in this post. Up to a certain point, I don't want to share personal stories in order to bolster my arguments. I also don't think that I should have to. If this makes my point of view less palatable or less compelling to some readers, then that's okay.

    Ultimately, who I am as a unique individual informed this post. After having written it, I've been appreciating reading the opinions and viewpoints of those readers who have chosen to share them. Everyone has different thoughts to express and I appreciate that wholly. Many commenters have knowledge beyond my own, I've seen. But I stand by my right to share my opinion on this popular book in my own voice with what knowledge I do have.

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  16. IT sounds.... like a book which will polarise readers. Ryle sounds like a disgusting character and I'm kind of amazed at how after you've said what you've both said that there are people who love him.

    I kind of want to read it but I think I'll save my money and borrow it from the library instead. Great discussion!

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  17. I didn't get the feel she was romanticizing abuse. I felt like she was really trying to get the reader to experience the onslaught of conflicting emotions that Lily felt trying to reconcile the love for her husband and the need to get away from him as her abuser. For me it definitely shed a different light and took me out of the "why would anyone stay with an abuser" train of thought. Hoover has Lily comparing the dissolution of her marriage to grieving a death. I could relate to that in a profound way. It completely changed my perspective on that kind of relationship. She made the right decision to leave and while I did have a problem with her just letting Ryle have unsupervised access to their daughter, I do agree that he should be able to have a relationship with his daughter. I am really glad I read this book! At the very least it opens up a dialogue and sheds light on a sensitve issue. I liked how she pointed out a couple times that society tends to look down on the woman who stays and doesn't get outraged at the man who is abusive. Society accepts that men can be that way and shames the women who continue to have faith that the men they love will change. It should be the other way around. Why is not the other way around?

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  18. Thank you so much for sharing your take, Emily! I most definitely see where you're coming from concerning the question of whether or not Hoover romanticized the abuser in It Ends With Us. I'm in a minority opinion there and a lot of people who argue that she DIDN'T romanticize Ryle have great arguments.

    I don't want to diminish your point at all, because I think you make a great case. However, having read other books about domestic violence from the abused perspective, my minority opinion is that I didn't like Hoover's take as much.

    That being said, I think that it's an AMAZING thing that most people seem to be taking away a great message from It Ends With Us. That is wonderful. It's the people who are dazzled by Ryle, still after having read the whole book, that are concerning me.

    Again, thanks so much for stopping by and sharing your voice!

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  19. Thanks so much, Kate! Yes, I'm coming to see that it is a polarizing book, but that I'm in a deep, deep minority for disliking it and taking away a negative message. That's okay! As long as people are taking away an anti-abuse message from the book, I think that's golden. What is really concerning me is how Hoover takes a more forgiving line in her book. They say forgiveness is divine... but at what point does forgiveness become permissive?

    Anyway, thanks for stopping by! I'd love to hear your take on the book after you've read it, whatever point of view you come away with!

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  20. Before reading this book I would have said the same thing but when you read the way she writes Ryle it's hard to just out and out hate him. You really understand Lily's conflicting feelings. I suggest reading it. It is definitely a polarizing book but I think (as this thread shows) that it opens up an important dialogue.

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  21. It's great to hear your thoughts. You articulated very clearly what didn't work for you. I haven't read the book. I haven't been sold on the books of hers that I've already read and wasn't convinced by all of the hype to read this. It's good to have another perspective amongst the sea of 5 star reviews. I don't think anyone should worry about someone not reading a book because of a review. That's just the way things work. It's the same as people saying, "Buy this book! It's amazing." and then some people don't enjoy it. It's just a chance you take one way or the other. It's simply opinion and we need to hear both the positive and negative.

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  22. I haven't read many Colleen Hoover books since I could predict every twist in Losing Hope, and I just wasn't interested in more.

    A friend recently convinced me that her books got so much better, and I was so excited to get my hands on It Ends With Us, but now I'm not. I can NEVER EVER get behind abusers, EVER. No matter what, so I think I'll be skipping this one.

    Thanks so much for the honest, fantastic discussion post!

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  23. I am about one third of the way through this book and I can't stomach Ryle. That's why I looked for reviews to see why I felt so creeped out by him. Now I know. Will not finish it and no 5 star review from me.

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  24. Totally agree with you on Dreamland being a great read that tackles the issue of domestic violence. And I think a lot of your points are valid- I personally think Lily went too easy on Ryle, and there's no way in hell I would've left his behavior unreported, especially if I was sharing custody with my child. However I really did enjoy this book because I was able to critically take away the larger messages of abuse and not disillusion myself with feeling bad for Ryle (although I think Hoover did a good job in making him somewhat likeable, especially at first, because it's important to note that not all abusive people are that way from the get go, nor is it obvious. Sometimes these things develop and can be shocking). I also think that this is Hoover's work of fiction and her story to tell, and she chose to portray a very specific type of abuse and abuser. Do I agree with how Lily handled the situation? No. But I respect that this was her story to tell in the way she saw fit, and looking at the big picture I think she tackled an important topic, even if it was in a controversial way. Great post, I love that you're open to discussion on this book as there's so much to talk about!

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  25. Ever think majority can empathize with the entirety of the situation because they have expierenced similar.. if you have this book will resonate with you like no other. It's hard hearing people after reading such indepth explanations into the DV relationship still feels its as clear cut and that the abuser should be crusified entirely for their actions and victim for their emotions or what they did or didnt do...
    It was a wonderful heartbreaking peek into relationships that are more common than anyone realises..

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  26. I agree when you say this book is absolutely non inspiring on many levels.
    Firstly Lily was dishonest with Ryle through out.
    Secondly, she was emotionally cheating on Ryle by constantly reminscing her childhood love since the beginning of her relationship. She kept secrets, didn't share the part when she noticed him at the restraunt the first time etc. His visit to her shop.
    Thirdly, she deliberately accepted the gift after the whole scenario took place, also knowingly allowed him to leave his number in a way that Rule doesn't find out. ( Even if it was if she needed any help) She was indirectly encouraging things otherwise as her heart was always with Atlas and Ryle was just an option.
    Fourthly, Ryles anger management issues were shown to her the first time she met him, after the second incident Ryle made it a point he shares his darkest secret which was that he had anger management issues due to a genuine reason and was also getting treated.
    Fifthly, it is wrong of her to portray Lily as the "Hero" WTF It was Ryle who at every step of their relationship made compromises and reconsidered everything he wanted.. He gave their relationship a shot because he really liked her, he went against his will and did everything according to her. He gave away his job offer even though he had made clear to her that his job means everything to him but her the priority and let it go. He asked for her help when he needed his wife the most to help him out wuth his anger issue instead of helping she was always inconsiderate of what would effect their relationship every time the so called Lily conveniently emotionally cheated on him.. Gave him all the right reasons to be upset with her but she got away with his extreme reaction that very instant that too because he had a "problem". But this selfish person not even once apologised for her mistakes that initiated any of the fights.
    Last but not the least, Lily is the villian as she knowingly got her self in to a relationship. She had feelings for Atlas but since she thought she was with someone else it was okay for her to cheat on Ryle emotionally. She was selfish , self centred and egoistic also "judgemental" like her father who never understood the meaning of the vows she took with her husband. Her husband was great to her but had just one problem and he had asked for her help but she is the one who never gave it importance, to know she had to be careful about certain things. She made it all about her self and got away with selfpitty. Giving him a chance was not the only thing but also to help Ryle by not giving him any such reason to get upset and also help him heal. That was the only compromise she had to make in her life. The rest he was a perfect husband, brother son!!
    She was too keen to somehow getaway from this because she knew the liver of her life was right around the corner to fall back on.
    She ruined Ryles life, she took away all his rights as a father. She couldn't be more selfish, knowing due to a unfortunate incident as a child he developed a problem and he was getting medical.. But she got up and left him because she always had the option of going to Atlas. She didn't play the role of a good wife, he full filled each an every wish of hers but she couldn't do one thing that he begged her for...
    Sorry I judge the authors Mother, she made wrong choices and made her children believe that she was a hero because she was in an abusive relationship.. Where she equally played the role of emotionally torturing him by keeping secrets and having feelings for Atlas a long. They started of their relationship on the basis of being transparent to each other but she kept secrets knowingly or unknowingly she made mistakes and only Ryle was made to suffer. Your mother ain't a hero Ryle is !!!

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  27. Excuse the typos from the post above ! * Damit*

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  28. She's not romanticizing Ryle. I'm not sure how many domestic violence cases you have seen but the abuser is almost always charming and in fact they are usually appealing. My ex husband for example. That is what makes you fall for them and makes the leaving so hard. She's telling a story of her parents and whIle you can agree with all of the decisions the character made and you haven't been in the situation you can't decide that. The book has a very important message and that is "it ends with us." Letting women know they are strong enough to leave. Even if they think they can't they can. While you are entitled to your opinion and your review I find this very misleading. I know you said you read the Author's Note, but did you fully understand it?

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  29. THANK YOU for this honest and sensible review. I am glad I am not alone in being appalled by the message in this book.

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  30. […] I mentioned in my mini-review, this book has some problematic representation of domestic violence. This review puts it much better than me. But at the same time, I really loved it and I feel like Colleen Hoover’s author’s note […]

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  31. […] I found a very important post on this book and there are many comments from readers who’ve had experiences of abusive relationships. Basically, the comment section is full of viewpoints from both sides that I think you should check out: http://www.questreviews.com/discussion-ends-us-colleen-hoover/ […]

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  32. Hi there,

    Sorry I know this is a strange question but I am busy doing an essay on this novel but my copy is in a different copy.
    I read this book a while ago and cannot remember, were their multiple points of views in this book ie did we get chapters from Ryle too??? A lot of COHO's books are like that but I can't remember with this one right now... Please Id so appreciate it if you let me know x

    https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCQo68n6UoLu23EFsJKLEguQ

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  33. Hey! It is just from one POV, although there are chapters where the book goes back in time to when the narrator was a teenager.

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  34. This is very interesting. It almost can be compared with a court of law and the defense versus the prosecution. My thought is that Hoover wrote Ryle with her father in mind, and therefore she writes him kinder than if her mother would be writing Ryle based on her experiences with her husband. I think it raises an interesting point, that all views should be heard. That people should hear all sides and form their own opinion and ideas. Hoover is clearly symphatizing with Ryle, because she is thinking of her father who never laid a hand on her and always treated her well, as far as we know. She is grateful that her mother didn't stand in the way of her and her father having their own relationship, away from the abusive one that formed her parents' relationship. She wants to give Ryle the same chance in the story, the same chance her mother gave her father with establishing a relationship of his own with her.

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  35. is this book appropriate for my 7th grader?

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  36. It has explicit sex, so maybe not? I'd say it's high school level at the earliest.

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  37. I totally agree with you, I didn't like the reasoning behind Lily leaving her daughter with her abusive ex husband just because he is the father.
    Certainly it felt like the author painted Ryle as a poor soul with issues instead of as a grown man who should be in jail or at least have a restriction order.

    Any way, loved your review didn't like the book

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  38. Thank you so much for this. I think this book is definately worth the read, however the ending, and the author's excess sympathy for Ryle, really creeps me out. Sure I get that Ryle is hurting, but

    1. If he truly "blacks out" and truly has *NO* control of his rages, then what exactly is stopping him from harming his daughter? I would feel more comfortable if Ryle was a monster abusing out of pure entitlement, since that would mean that he was in control of who he abuses and who he doesn't. "Blackouts", by definition, mean that he isn't.

    2. Ryle's problem isn't that he has "blackouts", it's that he jumps to conclusions and works himself up into a fit of anxiety and rage. If he didn't jump to conclusions, he wouldn't "blackout" to begin with. Ryle really needs to go into a batter program and work on his faulty thinking that is driving his abuse. Whatever he's doing for therapy, it's not working for him. Traditional therapy often doesn't work for abusers.

    3. The black and white manner that she approached keeping children away from abusive fathers is really rich. Yes, some abusers won't abuse their children, but many will. This attitude of "Oh, he's their father, he HAS to love them, what about HIS rights" literally kills hundreds of children each year. And yes, I think children deserve a relationship with both parents, but they also deserve due caution when it comes to putting them in situations of unknown danger. As a society, we're terrified of allowing our children to walk alone on streets, we're terrified of letting our children talk to strangers (even though most strangers are really nice people), but when it comes to a child's parents, we refuse to believe that love isn't enough.

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  39. Thank you so much for this comment. You communicated, so eloquently, what I struggled to convey clearly in my post. It's obvious that you read this book closely and critically, and your analysis is really impressive. I'm so glad you added your two cents to the conversation.

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